E. Red is the enterprising force behind the hit TV show Muscle and Classics, where he serves as producer, director, and star. Born and raised in Savannah, Georgia, E. Red grew up in a large, car-loving family, which set the foundation for his passion for the automotive industry. He has garnered extensive knowledge in car restoration and motorsports, leading him to create content that educates and inspires fellow car enthusiasts. E. Red’s dedication to the craft has resulted in a thriving TV show that resonates with viewers of all backgrounds.
Growing up in a big family in Savannah, Georgia, E. Red was surrounded by cars and motorsports from a young age, which instilled in him a passion and knowledge for classic muscle cars. But where did this journey take him, and how did he become a successful producer, director, and star of his own TV show, Muscle and Classics?
E. Red’s family and early exposure to motorsports led him to develop a strong work ethic and a variety of skills, including framing houses, working as a longshoreman, and eventually creating his own TV show. He emphasizes the importance of hard work, determination, and adapting to changes in the industry. Through his show, E. Red shares his passion for cars and motorsports, interviewing experts and enthusiasts from all walks of life.
On this episode of Gain Traction, Mike Edge welcomes E. Red to discuss his journey from Savannah to TV stardom. Starting with his childhood love of cars and influenced by family traditions, he shares personal stories of multi-generational car enthusiasm and how he created Muscle and Classics, which airs on Tubi, Paramount, Fox Soul, and Joy TV. Facing personal challenges head-on, E. Red discusses the show’s evolution, his battle with cancer, and his vision for the show’s future.
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Mike:
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All right, I also want to encourage you guys, you probably heard me over the last couple of months talking about Traction Summit. You can find out more about it at tractionsummit.com. The Traction Summit this year is hosted in Charlotte, North Carolina, August 13th and 14th, and I still think there’s time to sign up. All right guys, let’s get started with the show. E. Red, welcome to the Gain Traction podcast.
E Red:
Mike Edge, what’s up brother? Thank you for having me, man. And I’m a fan of the show, man, and I like how you guys keep it about the industry and what’s happening. We need more outlets like you.
Mike:
Well, I appreciate it. But we were introduced by a mutual friend who I think he’s a classic to the industry, Sonny McDonald with Toyo Tire.
E Red:
Yes sir, that’s my guy right there. Sonny is a great guy, man. The whole Toyo Tire team they’re a great group of people, man. Literally, they’re who you get when you meet them. They’re down to earth and of course, their brand is impeccable. So Sonny is a good friend of mine, man. We look forward to seeing each other at SEMA and we stay in touch during the year on and off because we look forward to that time. It’s become like a reunion almost of us seeing each other and making sure we get together. So yeah, I appreciate him.
Mike:
And Sonny does a great job of just recognizing that who needs to connect with who, and he connected us and I’m very grateful to him. But he is as solid as they come. And like you said, the Toyo people in general, everybody I met there, they’re just the type of people you want to work with.
E Red:
Yeah, absolutely. I agree.
Mike:
Well, I got a big question for you, where does the name E. Red come from?
E Red:
Born and raised in Savannah, Georgia. I grew up in a very big family. I’m one of 30 kids from these families, so they call all of us Red something, T. Red, E. Red, K. Red. So many of us that’s the only way they can break it down and find out who is who.
Mike:
That is fabulous.
E Red:
Yeah, so we kind of got those names given to us by just people that refer to us. We come from big families and that’s been a blessing because that’s kept me focused, and it kept me always having somebody to have my back.
Mike:
That’s beautiful. Well, I know you got your two brothers on the show with you, Gator and Uncle Earl.
E Red:
Yes sir.
Mike:
Yeah. So let’s talk about how you guys got into the car business, particularly the classic muscle car business. What drew you to it? Were you drawn to it as a kid? Were you in it as a kid, et cetera?
E Red:
Yeah, same thing again, family. My father who owned his own trucking company for a lot of years, he passed on 39 years ago. So that was early in my childhood. And when he wasn’t on the road running 50 states, he was working on a car or working on a bike along with my uncle or some of his friends that we considered family. And just by default, we picking up tools, walking around, building our clubhouse in the back using the tools they’re using to work on the car and we were always around it. I always loved the smell. I just always loved being around cars. So just by default, I had picked up so much general knowledge just by a car before I was seven or eight years old that it kind of became second nature to me. We understood how to disassemble a bike, reassemble a bike. We understood how to change chains, we understood how to use different fuel. We understood how to drop a full motor with a trainer on it in a car.
We just kind of picked it up second nature because that’s what they were about. They were all motor sport heads. They all loved racing. We would go to the drag track every Saturday and Sunday with what we built for the week to test it or to race it against somebody. So I spent a lot of my early years smelling and burning rubber, smelling fuel. My mother, she had a ’70 split bumper Camaro that when I tell you it was a little too powerful for her, but she drove the tires off it. And my dad really didn’t like her to have those kinds of cars. He wanted her to have something classy. So he would try to keep her in a nice Cadillac, but my mom always wanted to be in her Camaro. She loved the split bumper.
Mike:
And y’all liked it too, probably.
E Red:
Yeah, man. Every time, “Mama, go ahead and hit the gas mama. Hit the gas mama.” She [inaudible 00:05:23] out in every parking lot we was in. And so a lot of times she did it by accident because the car was just as powerful. So between that, having a mother and a father that my mom would get on my dad bike and ride with him sometime, having a mother and a father and a family that’s all they were about, it kind of just became second nature. We were always around it, always.
Mike:
Man, wow, think about it, that’s a blessing in this regard. You didn’t know you were learning. And when kids are learning, kids are like sponges, they can retain so much. And it’s like when you watch your own kids grow up, they’ll observe something and then they’ll come back to you two days later and they’ll say something about what they observed. And you’re almost like, I don’t remember that part or whatever, but they get everything. And so you were probably just one big sponge at that time and didn’t even know it. It wasn’t like work to you or anything.
E Red:
No, it was actually fun. It became part of your life that you look forward to, man, I can’t wait for daddy to get home so we could work on our mini bikes because me and my brothers, we would riding motorcycles and many bikes as early as we could get on them that our mom would be okay with it. So we’ve had every series of motorcycles. So I’ve been riding a motorcycle well over 40 years, so-
Mike:
That’s so cool.
E Red:
From a 50 to a I50, from a little stud knobby bike to jumping ramps on a dirt knobby type your bike. So it’s just always been part of who we are. And I thank God for that because even in my older years now, it’s still a release. I can have a full day and I can go jump on May, that’s my motorcycle. I call her May. I can go jump on May or either jump in Candy, my Chevelle and cut a block and spin a block and just let the wind do the rest. So it’s nothing like that feeling. People ask me, “You’ve been hit three times on your motorcycle, you still riding?” It’s a feeling that you cannot explain to people and they don’t understand that that escape it’s worth a chance you take.
Mike:
What do you do? What was your first job and were you in the same sphere with the auto repair or something? Like when you got 16, 17, 18, what were you doing for work?
E Red:
By the time I got between 16 and 18, I had already been working a long time. My father passed when I was nine turning 10. So me and you were raised in an era where if you’re the oldest kid, you become the man of the house. So that became my title early so I had a lot of jobs. I framed houses with crews. They built million-dollar houses out there on the landings, I did that for a long time. Then as I aged and can get state jobs and things of that nature, I worked for the state of mental health for a long time. At the same time I was a longshoreman, so I always kept multiple jobs. To me jobs are like cars. I set out to buy my first car and went and brought two. So 47 cars later, I’m still purchasing cars and bikes and things of that nature.
So I was always able to work with my hands, or starting that from an early age with my father and his friends and my mom and them, I was always able to work with my hands when it came to that. So I was able to transfer that skill set to the different things I needed to do to survive.
Mike:
Yeah, nice. So tell me how you got to… Look, your show’s cool as heck, Muscle and Classics, to repeat it again for the audience. So guys you can find it’s on several apps there, but if you want to mention those, go ahead and tell us where we can find it.
E Red:
Yep, if you just looking to stream it, you can hit Tubi, Freevee, I believe Paramount. If you’re out of the country, we’re on REV TV in Canada, which is the biggest motorsport place there. And we do great there. We’ve been there for the last three and a half years and the show is just still going through the roof. And here in the States we’re on Fox Soul, that’s a [inaudible 00:09:24] Fox Soul. So you can find that on any of your cable packages. It’s a general cable package network and they’re a pretty good network. And the Fox family has been good to us, man. So you can find us pretty much also too locally in Atlanta on Joy TV where they have a five million viewer household, and we’ve been killing that doing those numbers there for quite some time. So we’re in about four or five places now that go between television and actual streaming.
And a lot of what I tell people about that is you have to understand as a professional the game you playing and if the business model change, you have to be able to adjust. And that’s what’s happened, streaming is now the number one way of viewing any product. And that’s never going to change again. Television is now always going to be number two. So now that the base of everything has changed, you have to step back and look at what this market is morphing into. And I just thank God for the team around me, my brother, my sister, my mom, my kids, and all the other help I get from family members because we’re able to sit back and these people are business professionals. So they understand the morphing and the changing of industries and they see when a business model is changing. And I’ve started to notice that a lot over the years myself.
So right now is for a lot of these TV programs is how do you survive? Because with that business model changing, these networks don’t have that bucket to stick their hand in with a million dollars and put behind these shows anymore. So with me, I straight out own Muscle and Classics, copyright, trademark, there is nothing I do not own-
Mike:
That’s awesome.
E Red:
…that belongs to this brand. And a lot of us get dangled out there as the person who’s in front and you must be the boss. No, that’s just the person they’re dangling out there. When you’re talking to me, you’re literally talking to the decision maker.
Mike:
And I want to give the audience kind of, since we’re audio only, I’m trying to give them a picture of your show because one of the things I thought that’s really cool and I got to check out several and then I saw several on YouTube shorts just catching parts of it. But you guys I think it’s really cool you do a really cool job of interviewing a lot of different people within the industry that are in the restoration business, et cetera, and drag business, whatever. Tell us how that became part of the show or what the goal was there to have different segments within the show of interviewing different people.
E Red:
Well, I did it two different ways. As we started out on YouTube, that’s where I actually started the show from and we were blessed. The first show that I ever had a chance to do, we had Burt Reynolds on. That was maybe-
Mike:
I saw that, that was so cool.
E Red:
Man, that was maybe one of his last appearances and he made sure, he was like, “I like you man, and I want you to make sure you close enough when I do these and I want you to be.” And I was like, “Hey man, I appreciate it.” And that’s just how a lot of it has happened for me. It’s been organic. I have been around this industry for so long before I decided to finally go back to school, graduate with my degree and create a television show that I bumped into a lot of these people. And they just started to say, “Hey, I see this guy all the time. Let me find out who he is and what he’s doing because he obviously has the love for this.” So that kind of is how it transpired. Shortly after that, I think the Street Outlaws are one of the biggest shows in the country. I was cool with a lot of people in Ryan Martin Camp. So we flew to Oklahoma and stayed there for a week and we went inside with that entire team, with everybody that’s a part of the team.
I got to meet everybody, some of the guys I knew prior and the ones I didn’t know, I got to ride around OKC with Ryan Martin. He was at the time the champ. He was the man. You couldn’t beat him and he’s still out here shutting it down because his team they’re solid, man. Everybody knows their job and they’re a functioning unit and I respect that. And so had a chance to go with Ryan Martin and at the time they were building these Fireball Camaros through Chevrolet. So I got a lot of insight just because of the friends I have made over the time of the last 20 plus years just being around people in the industry. So for me it was a ground up experience because everybody knew me or recognized me and they know, yeah, he’s a car guy. I know that guy’s a car guy. So-
Mike:
That just made it kind of a synergy thing for you to easily start telling… Basically, you tell stories and-
E Red:
I let people tell their stories. Like me and you talked about that before, me and you, we could talk all day, man. Me and you cut from the same cloth, that’s one thing we found out. But I let people tell their stories because that’s the important part of it, the connection that it doesn’t matter your race, creed, age. I’ve had people on there eight years old to 88 years old and all these people have one look, motorsports, going fast, racing beautiful cars, true restoration. You have the purists and then you have the new generation that cut a car up and don’t think twice about it. So there’s room for everybody, no matter how different everyone is we still have this one common interest, our love for that. And my mom was crazy about cars, grandma and granddad, dad, so cars in certain people’s family they’re like part of the family. It’s not just a car outside.
It has a name and you can’t drive it this fast and you got to treat it with kitten gloves. So that’s for me where things come alive. So even with John Forrest, when I sat down with him for the first time, or Chip Foose, Gene Winfield, I have been blessed to meet some of the insiders that gave us this industry as we know it. And we are big on representing of our veterans because most people don’t realize that that’s who gave us muscle cars. That’s World War II veterans. When they came back, those people were such skilled craftsmen that they can do anything with their hands, they can build anything. And when they came back they didn’t get a lot of money. They didn’t get a lot of this and a lot of that. But how they still had to escape was using their hands and using the trade they learned. And they came back and they started cutting up model A’s and anything else you can think of, and they created the hot rod industry.
None of the major builders that we know, they weren’t muscle cars. They get the idea from the World War II veterans. So there’s not a moment if I’m out anywhere, me and my kids we could be doing anything, if I see somebody who’s a veteran, I thank them for their service, man, because they gave us so much more with just that commitment. And the brain on the family, people would never understand it’s not just that person deployed. It’s the entire family. I come from a family that’s military strong. My Uncle Mr. James, 44 years in the Air Force. Now this dude already retired twice and they still keep telling him to come back. I’ve had uncles who was generals, I’ve got cousins that’s in the Navy right now. There’s-
Mike:
One of the things you tug in a heart string of mine, so I interviewed the Veterans Trust and they were introduced to me by Sonny. And I don’t know if you had a chance to meet those guys yet, the Motorsports guys?
E Red:
No, not yet.
Mike:
But one of the things I think on a policy level just in the United States, we’re always talking about taking care of veterans, out of all the things that my tax dollars could go to, if you come out of a tour, I’m talking about a veteran that’s been overseas or in a tour based combat, you’re taken care of for life. I’m talking medical, housing, financial. If you gave your life, and I’m not trying to discredit the guys that went in and didn’t have to go to war, but I’m talking about the ones that had to face conflict or some type of… Then you come back, you’ve already given your life on the line, the rest of tax dollars should take care of you the rest of your life for what you did for everybody else. And I don’t know where the hard problem is, but we can go and spend $80 billion on these other countries but we can’t give it to the veterans that sacrifice it all, and especially these ones that have lost life or limb. Okay, come on, give me a break man.
E Red:
Yeah, no, I totally agree with you, Mike. I totally agree with you. I feel the same thing should be done. These people are the heroes. They are the stars. They are the people that should be treated and applaud. If you go somewhere, I’ve heard personal stories of people been on the front line for six months and whether it’s the Iraqi War or whatever, people been on the front line for six months and then you get snatched out of that. And the next day or the next two days you’re home back to regular life. You got to understand that there has to be a disconnect from that time before you can implement yourself back into a normal life. You would just run it for your life and defending your life and watching your brothers in arms pass away or get injured right next to you. So this country should show all of our veterans, if anybody who sacrificed themselves to serve, they should show them a gratitude of debt that they never have to worry about anything.
Mike:
That’s it.
E Red:
It’s so sad because these guys come home and these young men and women come home and they can’t even get proper medical help. It frustrates-
Mike:
Hey, I know we’re going off on tangent, but then we can give $80 billion to a country that has no… What are you talking about? It blows my mind.
E Red:
Anyway, you have to start with home and it seems like we have a lack of understanding when it comes to that.
Mike:
Amen to that brother. Well, tell me a little bit about, because one of the organizations I see that you have on there a lot and I was just curious, I think it’s Atlanta Auto Restoration.
E Red:
Yeah, man. Shout out to Marc Anghel. That’s Mark actually. How I met Marc about 10 or 15 years ago is when I finally found my dream car, Candy, my ’72 Chevelle. It took me a long time to hunt and find that car. I wouldn’t let nobody touch it until I found him. Then when I found him, I was like, okay, I’m comfortable with it. I got somewhere I could take it now. And Marc, man, he just opened a garage to me. He understood my background, he understood what I like to do. So he became one of the major players in what I do far as having access to multiple cars at any time. There’s so many great people that he… And he works with you. He’s one of those places that everybody know restoration is high. Restoration is not a cheap process, especially if you’re starting from a rusty frame to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars. So he takes care of his clients, he gives them the time that they need to pay for their car.
But Atlanta Auto Restoration is pretty much in my opinion, the only place in this region, the southeastern region of the country that you’re going to get a car done completely right. Is everything in house. Your car doesn’t have to be shipped around in 12 other places. They can do everything.
Mike:
That’s awesome.
E Red:
If you guys get a chance, look them up, Atlanta Auto Restoration.
Mike:
Well, I figured you must’ve liked them because they seem to be in a lot of the episodes and everything I’d seen.
E Red:
Yeah. It’s just that I’m so amazed. They’ve taught me a lot there too. I helped from time to time, I just wanted to be part of projects and I would go there. So blasting cars, they’ve taught me a lot about metal work. So they’ve helped bring along the knowledge that I have about how you actually go about repairing these cars. So to be able to not just see it and put my hand on it and allow to work on it and help, it brings back good memories and it’s something that feels good every time I get a chance to do it. So [inaudible 00:21:28].
Mike:
It was pretty impressive what I saw, they take it down to nothing. And when they go all the way back, that was pretty cool.
E Red:
Yeah, got to get that rust out.
Mike:
What would you define as your goal for your show? What do you guys want to accomplish now maybe in the next say year or two years and then long-term, what do you see you guys accomplishing?
E Red:
Well, from the out start, most of the classics hit television in 2020, March 1st, 2020. That was during the time the country was going through the pandemic. And within a week of it appearing on the network that I did to deal with at that time, the show became the number one show with at least five million homes tuned in every week. And we’re talking a network that was getting a couple of hundred thousand. So it let me recognize right away that the path that God set me out on because I try to follow those steps, the steps that’s written for me to walk, so He made me understand in doing this you’re giving people an example of how I say my world should be and what I intend for you guys to be. You’re all my children. So we have a commonality.
And to be honest, most people don’t realize but we all have a love, car, bike, truck, motorsports, car shows, don’t matter, we all have that. A lot of us all share that same thing, which is a common goal. There’s not many commonalities. This world around us show us a lot of different things that tear us apart and make it me versus you or him versus her. But with that being said, it’s just to continue to bring home and teach to people because I’m like that. If I’m watching TV and there’s cars on TV, I don’t want to just see your cute pretty car that you spend $1000 on. I want to know how to get me one and how to do that kind of work to it. That’s what I want to know. I want to know how can I become an amateur drag racer. I want to know, well, if I do become a drag racer, well, what do I need to do or what I don’t need to do? So that’s what started the safety corner, you need to do this, you don’t need to do that.
So my goal is to continue to educate people and help them get off the couch and go out and actually do these things. And I get a lot of direct messages from veterans, and men and women thanking me for the shows because I have some people that have started autocross just based on watching the autocross episode. So it’s that. And if I’m not doing that, then what am I contributing? So I just didn’t want to make what they call a cake show where they show you this 10-year build in 45 minutes of viewing time in 15 minutes of commercials. That doesn’t really show you the true story that went along with the creation of what you see. So my goal is to continue to teach people, bring people together, and continue to give people the knowledge that’s not easily obtained about their vehicles or something they might want to get into that they see on television.
Mike:
Man, that’s fantastic. Well, let me get back on the more personal side. Tell me a good story about your family or something that you guys have experienced in the industry that you kind of shared with me that I thought was pretty cool. Tell the audience.
E Red:
Yeah, man. It’s me and you both we’re kind of cut from the same cloth again, man. We take pride in being a father and we understand it’s an everyday job. So I always make my kids a part of whatever I do. And when I came up with the concept for the show Muscle and Classics, they were right there. They came up with it. My daughter she’s all into fashion, so she picked out what the character should wear. And my son, he’s into music production. A lot of the music you hear under Muscle and Classics was produced by my son. So they’re a part of it. And we sat in the family room and we put all these ideas together. We created logos, we created everything together. And eight months later they had a chance to sit in the same room where the idea was born and watch Muscle and Classics premiere to a national audience.
Mike:
That’s so cool.
E Red:
The look on their faces, man, I cannot explain, but the satisfaction it gave me as a father it just made me glow inside. It just made me… That was the aha moment I think all of us experience for different reasons. My kids know if they put their mind to it, they can do anything. And for them, that was that aha moment. Oh, I could do anything. I’m going to do some things now because they became a believer at that moment. And that’s what God holds men like me and you accountable for, what legacy did we leave for our children?
Mike:
Man, that’s such a cool story. You got to literally walk with them. They participated and each one of their individual parts were displayed in that first show.
E Red:
Yep. So for me, man, the satisfaction of that was through the roof and I thank God for it every day. Sometimes we don’t get to see those moments. We know they happen but we don’t get to experience. So just to let me experience that moment, man, it was awesome. And they’ve gone on to do great things. Now they know that it can be their own producers. They can be their own [inaudible 00:26:47].
Mike:
That is so cool. Well, that goes into what you… I like to ask folks, guests, is there something that you live by, a motto, quote, creed, et cetera? And that kind of ties into what you say on your show at the end, right?
E Red:
You want to keep God first and keep it in your own lane. That’s a creed, literally and figuratively I live by. It’s a beautiful thing. And if you just keep that first and man, just keep your head down. Life is full of peaks and valleys and probably more valleys than peaks. And to get to a peak, you got to walk up a mountain to get to it. So there’s always going to be heavy lifting and weight of the world that comes with where we are and what we’re living in.
Mike:
Man, I got to add to that. I got a good friend of mine that told me years ago, he’s about 15 years older, he is kind of a mentor. He said to me, “Mike, let me just make it real simple for you…” He goes, “95% of life is hard. And if you go in knowing that, it makes it a lot easier.” He goes, “What you got to do…” He goes, “You got to love to learn. You got to learn to love the grind. And if you love the grind, then you love every day because every day it’s got challenges. So just learn to take it, learn to love it and just keep moving.”
E Red:
Two words of wisdom, brother. Yeah, two words of wisdom, that’s exactly what that is. We just got to keep moving and keep your head down.
Mike:
Man, I’ll tell you what, I love your story though, producing this show. This is so cool. I’m excited to have had you on this podcast. I’m fired up. I hope our audience takes an opportunity to go out and watch your show. And I hope the word spreads. And it’s Muscle and Classics, guys, hosted by E. Red, his brother’s Gator and Uncle Earl and you’re called Three Speed.
E Red:
Three speed, baby.
Mike:
That’s it.
E Red:
Three speed.
Mike:
And tell them again where they can find it.
E Red:
Yeah, they’ll learn a lot more about Three Speed as we go on into season two because we’re working on doing that now. But you can find the show every Saturday night on Fox Soul and that’s 06:00 Pacific Standard Time, 9:00 Eastern Standard Time. If you miss it on there you can go to Tubi, search Muscle & Classics or Freevee or Joy TV or REV TV if you’re in Canada. But we’re available on both sides of the stream. We are available on television, we’re available for streaming. And man, it is been that loyal audience that’s followed us that’s kept us alive. It’s a lot I’ve been through and people have been asking, where are you being E. Red? What’s been going on? Well, real quick, I was diagnosed with a cancer in ’21 and they were able to give me a life-saving surgery at the last minute. And it’s just been healing up, building my body and getting my head back right. So we are getting ready to start now shooting season two and I got my crew all geared up for it and everybody’s excited.
So you guys look for new episodes coming, it is either to be the end of ’24 or early ’25, but Muscle and Classics will be back harder and stronger than ever before.
Mike:
I can’t wait to see it. Well E. Red, I can’t thank you enough for being part of Game Traction. It’s been awesome having you.
E Red:
Hey man, Mike, I appreciate you man. And I look forward to talking to you soon and I’m looking forward man to probably bumping into you in August here, but were going to talk more about that.
Mike:
Yeah. And I hope to see you at SEMA. I’m going to see Sonny out there too.
E Red:
Yes sir. Yeah, we got to get together after work.
Mike:
That’s right. Well, to all our listeners, thank you for being part of the podcast. We’re grateful for you. If you would like to recommend a guest to me, please email me at [email protected]. Till next time, be safe, be grateful, and have a great day.
E Red:
You too, brother. Thank you.
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